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Minifig skin colour - Yellow or Flesh?

by Ryan1972 (Brick Talk)
I think most people here are going to answer "yellow" from what I've gathered by looking at people's work on this site. - Seems like there are so many more options with yellow - so many more existing lego heads come in yellow.

I generally prefer yellow myself.

But there's a potential problem I can see for one of my upcoming projects- what if you have character who needs to be wearing yellow clothing?

Wouldn't that make the character look kind of ..um..  naked?







(Since this isn't actually directly related to customizing - I moved it to Brick Talk -- Damien)





by pacman110011 on Mon, 08/28/2006 - 16:11
Usually, I prefer yellow but flesh does come in handy some times. I use yellow for most of my figs but I prefer flesh superheros. There is also the problem that arises when using yellow of when you need a yellow hair piece or clothing. Cloud(FFVII) and Link(Zelda) for instance, just wouldn't look right with tan hair, and yellow figs with yellow hair are slightly strange looking. I have nothing against fleshies, unlike some of the members here. I just wish that there was a larger variety of heads though. -Pac


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by Damien on Mon, 08/28/2006 - 16:28


I hate flesh tones for a lot of reasons. The foremost reason is that it's 'splitting up' LEGO collections. They don't match with existing pieces. That bugs me. The other reason is that in LEGOworld everyone is yellow. Everyone. Flesh-tones mess with that. Yellow people is part of LEGO's charm.

That said, the yellow clothing issue really isn't an issue at all. There are a few ways to deal with it that don't require fleshtones.

1.) Ignore it. Like with LEGO's nifty Aquasharks. As a kid, I never really even noticed the issue with Aquashark outfits, because I just knew that it was clothing, not bare skin. This issue is worse if a lot of the fig is yellow -- so sometimes ignoring the problem doesn't always work.

2.) Change the colour. When making a custom based on some costumed character that has a decent amount of yellow, you can change the colour. As long as you choose a colour that isn't drastically different, and doesn't clash with the rest of the figure's colouration, the colour change really won't harm the look of the figure, and won't detract and stop people from being able to see who it's supposed to be.

Take the classic costume of Wolverine for instance -- his yellow outfit with black tiger-stripes and blue accents. You could very easily change the yellow to orange. Now the colour doesn't match his skin-tone, but the style and look of the figure remains mostly intact.

3.) Change the yellow. Different from number 2, changing the yellow means using a different VALUE of yellow. LEGO yellow has red in it, which gives it a very particular value (colour-wise). If you use a different -shade- of yellow, via paint or decals or whatever, you can create the figure in yellow, without the yellow -matching- the skintone yellow.

Take Wolverine again. I could make decals for Wolverine, but instead of using M16, Y100 yellow, I could change the values, maybe use simple Y100 yellow, or maybe something brighter, maybe with some green tone to it. There are thousands of possible variations on any given colour. If you find the right variation which does not match standard LEGO yellow, you can create a fig with yellow, that doesn't appear to be naked.

 

Anyway. . . I hate flesh-tones and I can't see myself ever having occasion to use them. Now, if all LEGO had been produced in flesh-tones from the very beginning, that would be different. But I want my figs to match, and yellow is just more plentiful.




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by Peter_Nix on Mon, 08/28/2006 - 16:50
Personally, I dislike the fleshies as well, but I look at them like the Kree empire from Marvel Comics, you have the Blue skinned Kree and the Pink skinned Kree, or look at the human race, Infinite Diversities Infinite Combinations. But to date I only have like two to four fleshies in my Lego empire. And remember the Classic Yellow Space guys, skinny dipping in space with only a tattoo and helmet :D ?


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by Fordo on Mon, 08/28/2006 - 18:49
as Well as the New kk3 Evil yellow Rouge knights i would have perfered all the knight to be that blusih color but hey thats TLC as for fleshies i dont hate them but yellow is definatly better and looks better IMO if i have to us them for a moc or something then im stuck with one odd fleshie in the middle of an army of Yellow skin tone Soilders.


by badboytje88 on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 01:31

Oke so everyone loves yellow and hates flesh (so far). I don't I like both, I'm even not ashamed to say that i like the flesh tone even a little bit better. The only problem I have is: (and Damien mentioned it before) the yellow and flesh figs do not match, you can't put a fleshy and a yellowy in the same vignette, that looks just wrong! Also what I like about the flesh tone is that you can make a difference in races. I'm just wishing they come out with an indian/asian skin tone!

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by Pharazon on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 01:59
All the new flesh toned colors are just a ploy by the Man to continue to divide up by race so as to keep social disorder with the goal of micromanaging each group for his own dominating purposes. Having said that, I would only use flesh colors if you are making an actual person. I agree that the best way to get around the yellows is to just ignore it. Changing the values even slightly doesn't wash with me either because I prefer using official Lego values whenever possible.


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by nonsencenik on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 04:07

personally i really like flesh decal. i cant say why i just think minifigs look better with a flesh tone. i do use yellow heads if i have run out of flesh.

but ofcource when they first came out i hated them, that was what made lego stand out because it was different but the dflesh colour has grown on me.

 

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by Timedude on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 06:00
Yellow. All the way. Flesh just doesn't look right. It clashes with al the other Legos and prety much ruins the whole Lego spirit. So far I've avoided getting any flesh minifigs, since only Harry Potter and Spider-Man sets have them so far. Plus, I'm kind a purist. Customizing, while cool, is still slightly forbiden to me..... P.S. How do I keep my whole post from running together like this. It looks all spaced out when I type it, but when I post.......


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by Radium Radiator on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 09:30

As you can see from my picture thingy I have edited the picture from LSW2,making the people yellow, because I hate the flesh minifigs so much.

I never use the flesh figs that I have. The uniqueness of Lego minifigs comes from the yellow "skin". With Harry Potter sets half of the figs are yellow, half are flesh. How can you mix them if you ever wanted to build some thing including a fig from each? And the same with Star Wars, when the Revenge of the Sith sets came out I never used any of the minifigs and I didn't buy so many sets as I would have if the figs were still yellow.

Whenever I see a yellow permant/marker pen in a shop I try it out, if it looks ok to use I buy it but I haven't found one yet that will actually work on minifigs. There are some great faces and bodies from the flesh minifigs but I won't use them until I find a suitable pen. I have heard that sharpies are good but I can't find one anywhere exept the internet. Hopefully my flesh figs can be yellow as they should have been.

I think that the rouge knights in KK3 look a bit silly too, I am confused at why Lego made it so that it looks as though they are exposing their arms and legs. They wouldn't exactly be very safe in a sword fight!




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by Fordo on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 09:33
Not just harry potter and spiderman its Anything that needs a lisence Ex: Star wars, avatar, batman too name a few. Anyway i doubt that TLC will make "Asian/Indian" tones because thats 1. a waste of money for new plastic 2. That Dividing the races up even more.


by Damien on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 13:21

because the Exo Force guys look Asian especially the boss and they just using Yellow.

What does that have to do with anything? Exo-Force isn't a license, it's a LEGO original theme. Meaning, they're all yellow. And just because Exo-Force has an anime look to it does NOT mean all the characters are Asian (sheesh). To point a fact, many characters in various anime are caucasion.


In any event, the point is correct that the flesh tones present a very troubling problem where it concerns how far they're willing to go with flesh-tones. There are hundreds of variations on skin tone, and LEGO jumped into a slippery slope by ever bothering to use the idea in the first place.





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by Viking Maniac on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 14:50
It's all Lando Callrision's fault! It's because lego thought it was wierd to have a yellow black person, so TLG changed his skin tone, but the rest of the crew were still yellow, so this would (or did) have sparked an argument between races and such, which is annoying, as Scorp has a perfectly fine Lando, and he's yellow, I hate the flesh as much as anyone else around here, so I agree with people's points.


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by Fordo on Tue, 08/29/2006 - 15:47

There are hundreds of variations on skin tone, and LEGO jumped into a slippery slope by ever bothering to use the idea in the first place.

I Agree with that but once that "Had" to do a lando fig for Starwars it kinda made sense they had to do Flesh tone for the other Characters that arent black. So hey we just got to make do with them or use a yellow sharpie and color our problems away :p




by BrickArms on Wed, 08/30/2006 - 11:14

I like the flesh heads.  There are more and more faces available now than just the Harry Potter ones and the Han Solo "smirk" (my favorite, actually). 

I like the mirrored-sunglasses flesh-head for the shooters on my SWAT team, but I have to admit, the amber-colored glasses on the yellow "shooter's" head looks better.  

I'm hoping for even more variety in the flesh-heads in upcoming sets - more scowls, grimaces, sneers, and overall bad-assitude.  Well, I guess that isn't actually "variety", but I'll take them just the same!

 




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by Shurtugal on Wed, 08/30/2006 - 13:08

They don't match with existing pieces.

I think this is what bugs me the most. The light flesh colour is only used to make heads. IMO, if you have a flesh coloured piece in a vig, you can't put a lightflesh fig in it iether, it just looks wierd.

And the second reason I don't like them,(but there are probably more) is also what Damien said, it just kills the novelty of a minifig. LEGO going from more imaginative to more real life, which is not what LEGO is supposed to be.




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by El Mariachi on Wed, 08/30/2006 - 17:31

I prefer yellow all the way because its the color we all grew up with. The one and only reason I don't like fleshies is because they obviously don't look good next to yellow minifigs.  I didnt even know about fleshies untill last year when a cousin of mine bought the Ep. 3 Jedi starfighter and I looked at Anakin. I would stare at him for minutes trying to figure out what was so odd about him. So i compared it to a Luke minifig and realized what was "wrong". They're starting to grow on me though.

 What angers me more than fleshies is bley. I hate it...




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by the enigma that... on Wed, 08/30/2006 - 19:15
Quote:

because the Exo Force guys look Asian especially the boss and they just using Yellow.


Firstly, somehow I doubt the shade of yellow LEGO uses for its minifigs would even apply to someone with severe jaundice.  Second, wow.

I'd agree with Viking that the root of the issue was when LEGO licenses began involving representations of real people, specifically Lando.  Take a look in the Greg's Comics section of FBTB for a trip down that vociferious memory lane.  The I suppose the entire concept of the light flesh minifig was to avoid the disturbing implication that yellow (absurdily) represented the caucasian skin tone if Lando was the only darkly toned minifig.  While at the time I freely admit I was opposed to the idea of a yellow Lando,  looking back on the situation the key is, as another posted stated, minifigs are abstract representations of the human form in the LEGO style.  It was TLC's creative decision several decades ago to use yellow as a neutral color for their figures, and I see little reason why they felt obligated to change simple due to that particular license and figure. 

Then again, perhaps I'm underestimating the raw power of Billy Dee Williams.

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by Damien on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 01:03

Then again, perhaps I'm underestimating the raw power of Billy Dee Williams.

We all do.

By the way, Badger, I edited your post to take out the "Damien wrote" part of the quote block. Makes it look like I said it, which I didn't (I was, in fact, quoting and responding to Fordo (I believe. . it appears whoever initially said it has since removed it from their post).






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by the enigma that... on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 10:43
Thanks for the edit - I certainly didn't want it to be the case someone might think you had made that statement, which I know you had not.

Now if you'll excuse me, my Colt. 45 is getting warm

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by Poohbear on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 08:27
I've always been a fan of the fleshie tone since it debuted and I will continue to be. If anyone has a problem with fleshie, there's a simple solution that deathstickman has been using which makes me wonder why fans still complain. Use a yellow sharpie on your fleshie figs and voila, fleshie-yellow in no time at all. But again, I'm not out here to change other's perceptions on the issue on skin tone at all. I'm here to enjoy my LEGO. If I want fleshie figs, I buy or create them, if you want yellow figs, buy or create them. Not to mention, the only accurate representation for my sigfig would have to Bruce Wayne's fleshie head.


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by the enigma that... on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:06
From the LEGO PR rep Steve Witt who posts over on FBTB - "as much as the yellow figs are a part of our hearts, the LEGO Group had to address ethnicity once it started representing real people. Its too easy to point at 'yellow' as 'white/caucasian' and there needed to be a change to show the respect that the real people deserved." badger


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by Crazy Boy on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:36
I like both fleshie and yellow, but for different purposes. Most of my decals are flesh, as I find it to be more realistic, however
I like how yellow heads, make decals look more cartoonish.


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by aburnett001 on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 14:21

Yelow matches so much better, adapts and customizes easyer, and just plain looks better!  i have nothing against the black heads, but keep white yellow, if you know what i mean ;)

 

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by El Mariachi on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 16:30
aburnett001 wrote:

but keep white yellow, if you know what i mean ;)

 

That's the problem, yellow was never supposed to represent white, or any other race for that matter. It was a neutral color that could be anyone.




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by Shadowviking on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 11:24
Poohbear wrote:
I've always been a fan of the fleshie tone since it debuted and I will continue to be. If anyone has a problem with fleshie, there's a simple solution that deathstickman has been using which makes me wonder why fans still complain. Use a yellow sharpie on your fleshie figs and voila, fleshie-yellow in no time at all. But again, I'm not out here to change other's perceptions on the issue on skin tone at all. I'm here to enjoy my LEGO. If I want fleshie figs, I buy or create them, if you want yellow figs, buy or create them. Not to mention, the only accurate representation for my sigfig would have to Bruce Wayne's fleshie head.


I thought that up!

"Anyway. . . I hate flesh-tones and I can't see myself ever having occasion to use them. Now, if all LEGO had been produced in flesh-tones from the very beginning, that would be different. But I want my figs to match, and yellow is just more plentiful."    
Excactly! That's what I don't like! If they were flesh from the beginning it would be fine!

 Also, however, the flesh color is a bit too.... pink.  If they made it slightly less pink it would look more natural. (to me, at any rate.) But all in all, i have to say yellow.


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by Zorn on Sat, 09/09/2006 - 06:46

I prefer the yellow heads for all of the reasons that Damien posted way above.

I would so much love to have some of the new face patterns from Batman and Harry Potter, for example, in yellow.

I will go off in search of instructions about how to color the flesh heads yellow with a pen. (skeptical that I could pull that off well enough) I also hope that the better customizers here might offer for sale somewhere yellow heads with the flesh face patterns already on them.




by legoclone123 on Tue, 09/12/2006 - 17:09
 yellow  is my favorite i have nothing against black and blank heads  but  like el m  said yellow is the color that we all grew up with and now lego does not make trademark figures yellow (except spongebob) and it seems like the yellow that we all know and love will soon just be a myth and their will only be flesh colored heads :(   .


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by Damien on Tue, 09/12/2006 - 19:45

Stop being so dramatic, legoclone. TLG has already stated that their figures will remain yellow. The only figs that get flesh-tones are licensed characters (i.e. those depicting real or semi-real people).




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by legoclone123 on Wed, 09/13/2006 - 17:09
ok, sorry i did not know that :P.


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by Deathstickman on Thu, 09/14/2006 - 08:48

He thought that up. I just took pictures first.

I'm beginning to wish I hadn't done that to my Anakin, he was my only one, and I've since grown accustomed to fleshy...